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Hi I am trying to find information on my great grandfather and his father, James monk born 1888 married bessie agnes reece in monmouthshire 1915, His occupation was a haycutter, They had three children, Maurice, Sheilagh and Monica. The story is that James Monk and Jesse Monk came from Swindon as brothers, however looking at some information on both there marriages, they record different fathers.Jessie Monk born 1883 married Frances Phililps in 1911 his father was William Monk Labourer and James Monk was Fred Monk occupation haulier,who was recorded as deceased when James got married in 1915.
James Monk died in 1970, I have no other information as to where he was born or came from and how they were related.
Any information would be a great help.

Jesse Monk is recorded to have been born in Oxford Blackwaal (or as i suspect act blackwall)

There is a family William Monk 1840 Black burton Oxforshire labourer
he married Elizabeth Clack/Clark? they had among others Jesse 1882 Black Burton

James 1888 Eastleach turville Gloucestershire,they also had a brother frederick.

1911 Jesse was a haycutter at the Philips family home
Undy Magor Chepstow Monmouthshire.

1911 James 1888 gardner domestic born eastleach a boarder at
Coln St Aldwyn
Fairford Glochestershire.

for ref
1891 census
William Monk age 48
Elizabeth Monk nee Clack 47
Married in June quarter 1865
Henry 26
Thomas 20
Mary 13
Frederick 11
Jessies (Jesse) 9
James 2

That's odd-James is now a grandson!

1901 census transcription details for: Macis Buildings, Village, Eastleach Turville, Eastleach Truville

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 2451 Folio: 71 Page: 14

Reg. District: Northleach Sub District: Bibury
Parish: Eastleach Turville Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: Eastleach Martin St Mary with Eastleach Truville St Andrew City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Macis Buildings, Village, Eastleach Turville, Eastleach Truville
County: Gloucestershire
MONK, Elizabeth Head Widow F 59 1842 Worker On Farm
Black BourtonOxfordshire
MONK, John Son Single M 33 1868 Labourer On Farm
Black BourtonOxfordshire
MONK, Frederick Son Single M 21 1880 Cattle Man On Farm
Black BourtonOxfordshire
MONK, James Grand Son M 12 1889 Scholar
EastleachGloucestershire


Maureen

1911 Elizabeth Monk 1842 widow born Black Bourton had 9 children all still alive.She is with
John monk son 1868
The Quarry
Eastleach.

Maryb

There were older children in the family -- 1871:

Civil parish: Black Bourton
Town: Black Bourton
County/Island: Oxfordshire

William Monk 30
Elizabeth Monk 28
Henry Monk 6
Sarah Monk 4
John Monk 3
Thomas Monk 11 Months
Emanuel Silman 14


I wonder whether James was in fact a grandchild (not uncommon to see a grandchild shown as a child), and possibly the son of Sarah?


I'm finding posts in this thread rather cryptic!

Maryb, that's from the 1911 census? Can we count the kids? ;)

Well,if it's the same James,I'd say this was his birth:
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/BirthSearch.aspx

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MONK James MONK (mmn)? 1888 Cirencester Northleach, Bibury 13 106

So quite possibly he was born to one of the Monk daughters and just put down Uncle Fred's name as his father or something.

Maureen

Edit-I type too slowly!!!!

In 1891, James is listed *after* Henry Clack (son, 26) -- which suggests he wasn't a son of William and Mary, or he would appear in the proper order, after "Jessies", son, 9.

1911 frederick Monk labourer born 1879 Oxford
Lucy married 8 years
William Thomas 1904
Eastleach.

Maryb

I wonder if this relates?
Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
COX Frederick Northleach 6a 673
MONK Sarah Ann Northleach 6a 673

Maureen

1911 says nine children.
Taken off tree on Ancestry please check.
Henry 1865
sarah 1867
John 1868
Thomas 1870
george 1874 on 1881 census he is nephew to Jane Clack
Mary 1878
Fred 1880
Jesse 1882
James 1888

So could it be correct??

Maryb

1891 fred Cox and sarah a in Swindon .
fred is a labourer on railways

1901 fred Loco Boiler maker

1911 still in Swindon he is helper at a boiler makers.
they had 9 children 2 died.

Here's Sarah in 1911-just in case:

1911 census transcription details for: 37 Iffley Road Swindon
RG14PN11784 RG78PN651 RD240 SD2 ED18 SN352

Reg. District: Swindon Sub District: Swindon
Parish: Swindon Enum. District: 18
Address: 37 Iffley Road Swindon
County: Wiltshire
COX, Frederick Head Married
20 years M 42 1869 Boiler Makers Helper Eastleach Glos
COX, Sarah Ann Wife Married
20 years F 44 1867 Black Bourton Oxon
COX, Arther Frederick Son Single M 20 1891 App Boiler Maker Swindon Wilts
COX, Albert Harry Son Single M 19 1892 App Brass Founder Swindon Wilts
COX, Alfred Thomas Son M 11 1900 School Swindon Wilts
COX, Gladys Elizabeth Daon F 9 1902 School Swindon Wilts
COX, Francis John Son M 7 1904 School Swindon Wilts
COX, Sidney George Son M 3 1908 Swindon Wilts

9 children. 7 still living.

Maureen

LOL omg got to get my head round that lot thanks for the info,

OK so, Elizabeth nee clack/clark and William monk had the following children
Henry, Sarah, John, Thomas, Mary, Frederick and Jesse Monk
Looks like sarah had a child out of marriage ?? named James Monk.
Sarah then Married Frederick Cox and had 11 children 9 will still surviving in 1911.

This all sounds right and would make sense as to why Jesse and James came over as brothers. Thanks all so much

Eilliam Monk and elizabeth Clack had nine kids all accounted for.

Sarah and Fred Cox had 9 2died leaving 7.

It doesn't mean for deffinate that James was the son of Sarah.


On the marriage certificate for James it says dad Fred a haulier,but on all census returns Fred Cox was in the boiler making trade.

Maybe you would have to get birth cerificate of James Monk 1888 to determine the truth.

Maryb

have got in contact with family over genes reunited, it is the right james he was sarahs son :)